amitjoey
01-26 11:18 AM
Congrajulations! to all the toppers.
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wandmaker
02-26 04:37 PM
10 days back My employer called me and asked provide some more documents , so that they can appeal to USCIS....
I was working on getting those documents, I was in constant touch with my employer...
two days back , he suddenly called me and said that as amandment is denied I have to leave US with in next two weeks and they don't want to appeal against the RFE denyl
If you call a nurse help line and tell them that "my kid living farfaraway city, he is sick, what options do I have to make him recover?" - The answer would be take him to a doctor. Same analogy applies here, Just mentioning 'some more document', 'doubts', 'working on getting those documents' does not give any of us the big picture. Consult an attorney and decide your course of action.
I was working on getting those documents, I was in constant touch with my employer...
two days back , he suddenly called me and said that as amandment is denied I have to leave US with in next two weeks and they don't want to appeal against the RFE denyl
If you call a nurse help line and tell them that "my kid living farfaraway city, he is sick, what options do I have to make him recover?" - The answer would be take him to a doctor. Same analogy applies here, Just mentioning 'some more document', 'doubts', 'working on getting those documents' does not give any of us the big picture. Consult an attorney and decide your course of action.
ivy55
08-01 09:38 AM
Please note the reponse I got from service center to a query sent by the senators office
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The scheduling of the biometrics is not based on the FBI fingerprints or name check being clearedfirst. ""
All waiting for FP leave no stone unturned, call, take infopass, etc
Thanks
""
The scheduling of the biometrics is not based on the FBI fingerprints or name check being clearedfirst. ""
All waiting for FP leave no stone unturned, call, take infopass, etc
Thanks
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JulyApplicant
11-09 06:13 AM
I have applied for 485 on July 23rd. Received EAD and AP but I have not received Finger Printing notice so far. I tried calling the 1800** number but could only hear the recorded message.
My case was indeed transferred from California to Texas on September 20th.
Please advice.
My case was indeed transferred from California to Texas on September 20th.
Please advice.
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pawnrule
01-15 03:05 PM
1) General test.
2) Best thing is not to ask them to send results. Just get an extra copy for yourself and mail it to Buffalo. No specific officer just write on the address
TO
File # B4567890
Immigration section
Consulate General of Canada
Best of luck
Nozerd - Thanks for your help/response.
2) Best thing is not to ask them to send results. Just get an extra copy for yourself and mail it to Buffalo. No specific officer just write on the address
TO
File # B4567890
Immigration section
Consulate General of Canada
Best of luck
Nozerd - Thanks for your help/response.
gimme_GC2006
04-17 03:46 PM
It was mentioned last month in the AINP website that some changes would be there in the NOC list after April 15. Everybody whoever followed this thread saw the message earlier. On April 15 they removed the message from AINP website and apparantly there was no change in NOC list till now. OP gave us correct information when he/she created this thread. See my post in April 15 in this thread and I mentioned that nothing was changed in NOC list. Again going back to my original question did you follow this thread from start? I objected to this comment "I donno why people place messages with Half Knowledge". Apparantly you had the half knowlodge about this whole issue.
hey dude there's nothing in the url u posted once go to the website and click the the pressure list url.that is the actual Noc codes that are active.Today morning when i spoke to the immigraton officer in alberta he was the one who told me ok.
I think both of you are correct. :)
Initially AINP website had a message that starting April15th there will be change in NOC codes..but they removed it last week..so I guess, they are not going to change NOC list for now.
there is a big forum on Canada immigration..if you guys want to follow..
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/index.php
No..I am not affiliated with site and I get no benefits by posting the link here..use the site at your discretion:D
hey dude there's nothing in the url u posted once go to the website and click the the pressure list url.that is the actual Noc codes that are active.Today morning when i spoke to the immigraton officer in alberta he was the one who told me ok.
I think both of you are correct. :)
Initially AINP website had a message that starting April15th there will be change in NOC codes..but they removed it last week..so I guess, they are not going to change NOC list for now.
there is a big forum on Canada immigration..if you guys want to follow..
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/index.php
No..I am not affiliated with site and I get no benefits by posting the link here..use the site at your discretion:D
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krishna.ahd
10-15 03:58 PM
Considering the lowered cost of stock I am planning to gets my hands dirty in stock. But I don't have much knwoeldge about it. Also, by the time I find resouces to learn more about stock, the prices might ahve gone up.
So can anyone provide good online tools to know more about investing on stocks and buying stocks online...
Thanks
Start with this - much simpler
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/money101/lesson4/
or this
http://www.fool.com/investing/basics/index.aspx?source=ifltnvpnv0000001
Good Luck
BTW , there are supposed to be lot of police around here , looks like all are set with GC
So can anyone provide good online tools to know more about investing on stocks and buying stocks online...
Thanks
Start with this - much simpler
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/money101/lesson4/
or this
http://www.fool.com/investing/basics/index.aspx?source=ifltnvpnv0000001
Good Luck
BTW , there are supposed to be lot of police around here , looks like all are set with GC
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reddyram
07-19 01:36 PM
There are too many If's and Buts over here.
If you confront your company telling them you want to leave , they will immediately summon you to return back to India. There is NO WAY where you can be in US, X fer H1 and keep them happy..IMHO ..I doubt any.They have very strict dictum because this the biggest fear - ur using them instead of them using u .
So u can respectfully return back to India , to keep them happy and then start all over again OR
u can do some hunting :
<> Prev WIPRO employees "Jumping" record. What happened to them
<> Date some HR , BA pass , aunty over there . "Make her happy aunty " every day and night :D and then she will tell u , in realistic terms how ur company pursues cases like u so u know what is the likely outcome.
If you confront your company telling them you want to leave , they will immediately summon you to return back to India. There is NO WAY where you can be in US, X fer H1 and keep them happy..IMHO ..I doubt any.They have very strict dictum because this the biggest fear - ur using them instead of them using u .
So u can respectfully return back to India , to keep them happy and then start all over again OR
u can do some hunting :
<> Prev WIPRO employees "Jumping" record. What happened to them
<> Date some HR , BA pass , aunty over there . "Make her happy aunty " every day and night :D and then she will tell u , in realistic terms how ur company pursues cases like u so u know what is the likely outcome.
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485Mbe4001
07-25 12:11 PM
Nice...Calculations work if its a public company with a responsibility to make profits and please shareholders. We are talking about an entity we really know nothing about, all calculations go out of the window in this case
-- I filed my 485 in dec 2004 :p i have spent many hours dreaming up rational calculations, but i feel i would have been better off watching the traffic from my office window.:(
Here is the calculation I came up with USCIS processing of our I-485 applications.
USCIS should allocate 140,000 applications in a fiscal year. So, in a month they need to process, at least, 140,000/ 12 = 11,667 applications.
Assuming that they have, at least, 20 working days in a month, they need to process 11,667/ 20 = 584 applications.
So, now the question is, how many employees does USCIS have and are dedicated to the I-485 processing? We don’t know the exact number. Considering that USCIS is getting lot of revenue, they should have, at least, 50 employees doing this work.
So, 584/50 = 12(Approx) applications they need to process in a day, per person.
So, do you think it is viable? Of course, it is…
What they need to process the I-485 application? They are not doing any FBI names check, or background check (Assuming that everything is done by other organization). So, how long does it take to review the I-485 application? Well, when I filled the application, it took me about 1 hour. So, to review it, let’s us say, it takes about 1/2 the time fill the application; that’s about half an hour. Considering the calculation that we made, it takes an about 6 hours to process 12 candidates. With this assumption, they still have 2 hours left to do miscellaneous tasks. Now the question is what the heck they are doing all the time? Why did they process only 80,000 applications in about 8 months? Are they lazy? Don’t they have enough employees (This shouldn’t be; an average Indian consultant company will have at least 20 employees!!). This is really a mystery. Anyways, if the USCIS really and whole heartedly wants to process the applications, they can; but they really don’t care about immigrants or their plights. :rolleyes:
-- I filed my 485 in dec 2004 :p i have spent many hours dreaming up rational calculations, but i feel i would have been better off watching the traffic from my office window.:(
Here is the calculation I came up with USCIS processing of our I-485 applications.
USCIS should allocate 140,000 applications in a fiscal year. So, in a month they need to process, at least, 140,000/ 12 = 11,667 applications.
Assuming that they have, at least, 20 working days in a month, they need to process 11,667/ 20 = 584 applications.
So, now the question is, how many employees does USCIS have and are dedicated to the I-485 processing? We don’t know the exact number. Considering that USCIS is getting lot of revenue, they should have, at least, 50 employees doing this work.
So, 584/50 = 12(Approx) applications they need to process in a day, per person.
So, do you think it is viable? Of course, it is…
What they need to process the I-485 application? They are not doing any FBI names check, or background check (Assuming that everything is done by other organization). So, how long does it take to review the I-485 application? Well, when I filled the application, it took me about 1 hour. So, to review it, let’s us say, it takes about 1/2 the time fill the application; that’s about half an hour. Considering the calculation that we made, it takes an about 6 hours to process 12 candidates. With this assumption, they still have 2 hours left to do miscellaneous tasks. Now the question is what the heck they are doing all the time? Why did they process only 80,000 applications in about 8 months? Are they lazy? Don’t they have enough employees (This shouldn’t be; an average Indian consultant company will have at least 20 employees!!). This is really a mystery. Anyways, if the USCIS really and whole heartedly wants to process the applications, they can; but they really don’t care about immigrants or their plights. :rolleyes:
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browncow
05-21 01:18 AM
H1 doesn't get invalidated on a 485 rejection, even if it was approved beyond 6 year based on the pending 485. You just may not be eligible for another extension.
well, USCIS issues EADs based on filed appeals/MTRs, so H1B is not the only solution.
well, USCIS issues EADs based on filed appeals/MTRs, so H1B is not the only solution.
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leoindiano
02-06 01:04 PM
looks like this is what happening...
They have 100's of 1000's of cases....thrown in one dark room.
They have this Q on their computers, with cases approved Namecheck, background check, I-140, FP complete....
Now, when they are assigned with a case, they will try to find the file....Just imagine its not easy to find the case, but USCIS doesnt put any effort to sort them either.
So, he will leave that case there, go to next one...This is just my guess...
They have 100's of 1000's of cases....thrown in one dark room.
They have this Q on their computers, with cases approved Namecheck, background check, I-140, FP complete....
Now, when they are assigned with a case, they will try to find the file....Just imagine its not easy to find the case, but USCIS doesnt put any effort to sort them either.
So, he will leave that case there, go to next one...This is just my guess...
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immi_seeker
09-13 01:22 PM
What is this fight all about ??? eb3-->eb2 ... or spillover??? changing any/both of them will not solve underlying problem.. Grow up people
why not go for real problem??? if you want to ask congress/administration, ask for some real solutions which will help everyone. To name a few...
1. Capture lost Visa numbers
2. Get rid of country quota.. how does this country based quota makes sense in EB Category??
Totally agree with this. Eventhough i dont agree with i_got_skillz language, what he has been trying to say is the same thing. This spill over stuff will only help EB3 ROW as they have huge backlog. This EB3I talk abt spill over stuff will not only help them but will also bring EB2I in to the same boat(infact Eb2I is also in bad shape with or without spill over).
why not go for real problem??? if you want to ask congress/administration, ask for some real solutions which will help everyone. To name a few...
1. Capture lost Visa numbers
2. Get rid of country quota.. how does this country based quota makes sense in EB Category??
Totally agree with this. Eventhough i dont agree with i_got_skillz language, what he has been trying to say is the same thing. This spill over stuff will only help EB3 ROW as they have huge backlog. This EB3I talk abt spill over stuff will not only help them but will also bring EB2I in to the same boat(infact Eb2I is also in bad shape with or without spill over).
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glen
05-17 09:43 AM
With approved I-140 H1-B extension can certainly be done .
For 365-day period one can take out the days he/she has been away from US for work, vacation,etc. Check immigration-law.com for this.
My question to my valuable friends is that if I've filed PERM well before 365 days (i.e. the last year) but it was denied and then i refiled another PERM after the 365-day period was started, then would I still be able to renew my H1 based upon filed PERM or approved I-140 or what? :confused:
For 365-day period one can take out the days he/she has been away from US for work, vacation,etc. Check immigration-law.com for this.
My question to my valuable friends is that if I've filed PERM well before 365 days (i.e. the last year) but it was denied and then i refiled another PERM after the 365-day period was started, then would I still be able to renew my H1 based upon filed PERM or approved I-140 or what? :confused:
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saileshdude
07-21 09:44 PM
You actually have active TB? Or you are saying your TB skin test came out positive as you had BCG?
If you had given BCG and your skin test came positive, that's very normal. If your doctor here wants to treat you because your skin test came positive although your chest x-ray is clear, then you probably should change your doctor.
mhtanim,
My skin test was positive but chest x-ray was negative. As far as changing the doctor goes, this doctor is actually the USCIS doctor who I went to during last July 2007 fiasco. At that time of rush I did not bother on what he wrote on the medical forms. Even though I had negative x-ray , he wrote I need to follow up with my primary care for INH treatment.
Also with regards to BCG vaccine , the skin test comes positive only within 10 years after BCG is given. If you still have a reaction after 10 years then that means that you have a passive TB and it is recommended that you get it treated. I had a long conversation with an Infectious Disease specialist and he mentioned that there is no urgency to start the treatment because of age factor. So if there is a doctor you know who says that you do not need to be treated even after 10 years of taking the BCG , then probably you should change your doctor for the sake of your own health.
If you had given BCG and your skin test came positive, that's very normal. If your doctor here wants to treat you because your skin test came positive although your chest x-ray is clear, then you probably should change your doctor.
mhtanim,
My skin test was positive but chest x-ray was negative. As far as changing the doctor goes, this doctor is actually the USCIS doctor who I went to during last July 2007 fiasco. At that time of rush I did not bother on what he wrote on the medical forms. Even though I had negative x-ray , he wrote I need to follow up with my primary care for INH treatment.
Also with regards to BCG vaccine , the skin test comes positive only within 10 years after BCG is given. If you still have a reaction after 10 years then that means that you have a passive TB and it is recommended that you get it treated. I had a long conversation with an Infectious Disease specialist and he mentioned that there is no urgency to start the treatment because of age factor. So if there is a doctor you know who says that you do not need to be treated even after 10 years of taking the BCG , then probably you should change your doctor for the sake of your own health.
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conchshell
07-29 05:39 PM
By now its almost evident that the CR's for retrogression, per country limit. and STEM related degrees are actually are not going anywhere. Understandably it was CHC (Congressional Hispanic Caucus) and republican leadership that blocked the road to legal immigration relief.
Its almost beyond my analytical power to find out why CHC blocked our way? CHC treated us as hostages to get their demands. They were successful with their threat that either it will be amnesty to illegals or absolutely nothing.
So this though struck my mind: what is our stand as far as illegal immigration is concerned. Even though we may not support/recommend further illegal immigration, what is our stand on granting amnesty to illegals already living in this country.
So do we:
1. Completely oppose amnesty to illegals immigrants currently living in USA
2. Support amnesty to illegals immigrants currently living in USA
3. Support amnesty to illegals immigrants currently living in USA, as long as they do not stand ahead of legal immigrants in the queue.
4. Support amnesty to illegals immigrants currently living in USA, if CHC and other similar organizations support us for our much sought immigration reforms.
5. Only support Guest Worker Program type of thing, which allows people to enter on work visas and further backlog the employment based GC queues.
Is it going to help us if we shake hands with CHC and other similar organizations, if they support us? I mean if we can't defeat them why don't we join forces with them to get what we want. Please remember that legal immigration reform bills always try to piggy back on CIR (Comprehensive Immigration Reforms) type of bills where illegal immigration/amnesty is focal point of discussion, rather than other way around.
Its almost beyond my analytical power to find out why CHC blocked our way? CHC treated us as hostages to get their demands. They were successful with their threat that either it will be amnesty to illegals or absolutely nothing.
So this though struck my mind: what is our stand as far as illegal immigration is concerned. Even though we may not support/recommend further illegal immigration, what is our stand on granting amnesty to illegals already living in this country.
So do we:
1. Completely oppose amnesty to illegals immigrants currently living in USA
2. Support amnesty to illegals immigrants currently living in USA
3. Support amnesty to illegals immigrants currently living in USA, as long as they do not stand ahead of legal immigrants in the queue.
4. Support amnesty to illegals immigrants currently living in USA, if CHC and other similar organizations support us for our much sought immigration reforms.
5. Only support Guest Worker Program type of thing, which allows people to enter on work visas and further backlog the employment based GC queues.
Is it going to help us if we shake hands with CHC and other similar organizations, if they support us? I mean if we can't defeat them why don't we join forces with them to get what we want. Please remember that legal immigration reform bills always try to piggy back on CIR (Comprehensive Immigration Reforms) type of bills where illegal immigration/amnesty is focal point of discussion, rather than other way around.
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greencard_fever
09-08 08:51 PM
Cograts!! rb_248..
Did you notice any LUD's on your case in September?..i got an RFE for my Spouse in August and responded on September 2nd after that there is Soft LUD almost every day but no status change..on my case no LUD's or what so ever last LUD was on 08/19 the day when i did my FP that's it..Guys i am frustated and feeling some how that i will miss this bus... called USCIS IO told me that both the cases are with officer not sure how reliable inof that is..Opened SR on September 3rd..guys please suggest me what else i can do:confused::confused::mad::mad::mad:
Got the cards in the mail. My online case status says the application is still pending.
Folks (those whose PDs are current this month),
Check with your attorney, in your mail boxes along with the online USCIS case status. You may get the good news in your mail box or from your attorney's office before your status is updated online.
This is what my attorney had to say:
The USCIS online status system is maintained by contract workers and is often inaccurate.
Did you notice any LUD's on your case in September?..i got an RFE for my Spouse in August and responded on September 2nd after that there is Soft LUD almost every day but no status change..on my case no LUD's or what so ever last LUD was on 08/19 the day when i did my FP that's it..Guys i am frustated and feeling some how that i will miss this bus... called USCIS IO told me that both the cases are with officer not sure how reliable inof that is..Opened SR on September 3rd..guys please suggest me what else i can do:confused::confused::mad::mad::mad:
Got the cards in the mail. My online case status says the application is still pending.
Folks (those whose PDs are current this month),
Check with your attorney, in your mail boxes along with the online USCIS case status. You may get the good news in your mail box or from your attorney's office before your status is updated online.
This is what my attorney had to say:
The USCIS online status system is maintained by contract workers and is often inaccurate.
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ineedhelp
07-17 07:10 PM
Hello Sir/Madam,
I badly need some advice with regards to a policy which i have in my current employment deputation letter for working in US.
A brief info about me :
1. I'm basically an employee of Wipro, India deputed in US on H1B.
2. As part of this travel, there is a mandatory clause to accept certain policies of wipro ensuring that i do not move out of wipro in USA without giving a 2 months notice and also a liquidity damages of 4,20,000 INR equivalent to 10,000 $.
My current issue :
1. Its been about 2 yrs that i've been serving for Wipro in US and now in a state where i want to move out. I got a pretty good offer from another company that augurs well for my future.
2. I Can give only 3 weeks of notice.
Advice needed :
1. Can i leave now with 3 weeks notice knowing that i had mandatorily signed the policy of wipro in india before coming over to USA.
2. What are the legal implications of this? If wipro serves a notice do i need to reply to that knowing that as per H1B labor laws of USCIS, a company cannot force anybody to give a notice period of more than 2 weeks?
Your suggestions will do a world of good to me. Thank you in advance.
Regards,
Ineedhelp
I badly need some advice with regards to a policy which i have in my current employment deputation letter for working in US.
A brief info about me :
1. I'm basically an employee of Wipro, India deputed in US on H1B.
2. As part of this travel, there is a mandatory clause to accept certain policies of wipro ensuring that i do not move out of wipro in USA without giving a 2 months notice and also a liquidity damages of 4,20,000 INR equivalent to 10,000 $.
My current issue :
1. Its been about 2 yrs that i've been serving for Wipro in US and now in a state where i want to move out. I got a pretty good offer from another company that augurs well for my future.
2. I Can give only 3 weeks of notice.
Advice needed :
1. Can i leave now with 3 weeks notice knowing that i had mandatorily signed the policy of wipro in india before coming over to USA.
2. What are the legal implications of this? If wipro serves a notice do i need to reply to that knowing that as per H1B labor laws of USCIS, a company cannot force anybody to give a notice period of more than 2 weeks?
Your suggestions will do a world of good to me. Thank you in advance.
Regards,
Ineedhelp
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pitha
07-08 03:11 PM
I was one of the people who bashed Oh when he "sympathizes" with USCIS workers, I could not figure out what he was thinking sympathizing with USCIS workers.
In this case he is helping publicize the flower campaign. Why are you guys bashing him instead of thanking him? IV core has clearly stated the flower campaign and some other initiatives are member initiatives and not IV initiatives so I can understand why Mathew Oh might have left out IV. Let�s not make an enemy out of a friend who is trying to help us in this particular situation.
In this case he is helping publicize the flower campaign. Why are you guys bashing him instead of thanking him? IV core has clearly stated the flower campaign and some other initiatives are member initiatives and not IV initiatives so I can understand why Mathew Oh might have left out IV. Let�s not make an enemy out of a friend who is trying to help us in this particular situation.
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guy03062
04-17 11:22 AM
Also when last year, congress approved recaptured 50,000 visas per year for Nurses, USCIS updated it immediately after Bush signed the law and also published interim visa bulletin to reflect those changes.
Same way, how should we interpret here in case this immigration bill is signed by Bush, will USCIS allow to get us those benefits immediately or need to wait 90 days?
Last time when Bill Clinton signed similar bill, it became effective immediately. So this should also be immediate.
Same way, how should we interpret here in case this immigration bill is signed by Bush, will USCIS allow to get us those benefits immediately or need to wait 90 days?
Last time when Bill Clinton signed similar bill, it became effective immediately. So this should also be immediate.
eb3_nepa
08-14 03:33 PM
Called 6 different operators at the USCIS and got different answers (atleast they are consistently inconsistent!)
2 Said it is perfectly fine as long as the amount is correct
3 said they prefer seperate checks but if the amount is correct they will accept it
1 said they will reject the whole package.
On a lighter note i spoke to one really sweet lady when my call was escalated. All i wanted to ask was about the checks, but she (very enthusiastically) looked up my information and informed me that i was not in the system yet and actually apologised to me. Now i KNOW she looked it up coz she got my middle and company names right even without my telling her that. She even said she has received a few calls today and the guy b4 me was a lucky caller as he was in the system as of Aug 8.
2 Said it is perfectly fine as long as the amount is correct
3 said they prefer seperate checks but if the amount is correct they will accept it
1 said they will reject the whole package.
On a lighter note i spoke to one really sweet lady when my call was escalated. All i wanted to ask was about the checks, but she (very enthusiastically) looked up my information and informed me that i was not in the system yet and actually apologised to me. Now i KNOW she looked it up coz she got my middle and company names right even without my telling her that. She even said she has received a few calls today and the guy b4 me was a lucky caller as he was in the system as of Aug 8.
vedicman
01-20 01:46 PM
Any EB3 here?
Famous American Immigrants � Immigration Update (http://immigrationupdate.wordpress.com/famous-american-immigrants/)
Even your link does not provide which category these immigrants came from - possibly because employment category did not exist, they came early in childhood with parents......
Besides stop creating the rift between the categories in this forum!
Einstein - Germany
Madeleine Albright: Czechoslovakia
John Muir: Scotland
Joseph Pulitzer Hungary
Felix Frankfurter: Austria
Martina Navratilova: Czechoslovakia
Irving Berlin: Russia
Saint Frances X. Cabrini: Italy
Mary Harris Jones: Ireland
Edward M. Bannister: Canada
Rita M. Rodriguez: Cuba
Ieoh Ming Pei: China
Subranhmanyan Chandrasekhar: India
David Ho: Taiwan
Ang Lee: Taiwan
Hakeem Olajuwon: Nigeria
Famous American Immigrants � Immigration Update (http://immigrationupdate.wordpress.com/famous-american-immigrants/)
Even your link does not provide which category these immigrants came from - possibly because employment category did not exist, they came early in childhood with parents......
Besides stop creating the rift between the categories in this forum!
Einstein - Germany
Madeleine Albright: Czechoslovakia
John Muir: Scotland
Joseph Pulitzer Hungary
Felix Frankfurter: Austria
Martina Navratilova: Czechoslovakia
Irving Berlin: Russia
Saint Frances X. Cabrini: Italy
Mary Harris Jones: Ireland
Edward M. Bannister: Canada
Rita M. Rodriguez: Cuba
Ieoh Ming Pei: China
Subranhmanyan Chandrasekhar: India
David Ho: Taiwan
Ang Lee: Taiwan
Hakeem Olajuwon: Nigeria
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